Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to learn how to romance the king; learn how to have intimacy with God.  With the times that we’re coming in if you don’t have intimacy with Jesus you don’t have anything.  And if you have anything and you don’t have intimacy with God you’ll lose everything that you have.  Now my guest all this week has been Brian Lake, and we’ve been featuring his book “Romancing the King.”  Which it’s his life story, but the anointing is so strong on this book you’ll have your breakthrough to desire to be with Jesus every morning, every evening, every minute of the day; more than food,  or more than anything this world has to offer.  And I can’t think of a more important thing, but God has blessed Brian Lake and his family and I have on the telephone right now his wife, Pamela.  Pamela, I’m very intrigued of how you’ll pray with someone and you will literally know something about them; tell me about that.

Pamela:  Yeah, it started a while back ago, but one example of that was it was probably a couple years ago I was praying for this beautiful young girl and she didn’t know that she was beautiful.  And God just told me that she was hurting inside and that she was actually hurting herself.  And so I just began began to minister with her and I knew that the moment I touched her I could just feel you know that she was sad and I just, I just put my arms around her.

Sid:  This is a feeling not just looking at someone, you can look at someone and know that their sad, but we’re great actors and actresses and we can fake people.  So in other words there was no reason on the outside you knew she was sad it was strictly a spiritual gift.

Pamela:  Yeah, it was just right well, whenever I touched her I could, I just could feel it, I just knew it just like a knowing inside of you God just brings it you know and I could just feel the emotion of it.  And I asked her at that moment “Are you sad?” And then I just started just talking with her and different things like that.  And she said, “Yes,” and then I said, “I know, I know that you’re hurting and that God loves you.”  And she goes, “God doesn’t love me.”  And I said, “Yes, yes He does,” and so then at that moment, at that moment God told me that she was hurting herself.  And so I told her that she was hurting herself and then she said, “Nobody knows that, no one knows.”  And I said, “Well God loves you and He wants you to be healed.”  And so then she just kind of melted, I mean she said, “That she could feel that God loved her.”  And then I’ve seen her not too long ago and she’s just completely healed.

Sid:  Now this isn’t the unusual thing this happens often to you that you know people are hurting and when you pray for them they just, they melt and it’s almost as if they receive a healing an inner healing on the inside.

Pamela:  Yeah, it happens in the United States all over, even overseas, I mean I don’t know why He chose me for this gift, but He did and I just love seeing Him touching His people you know and using me.

Sid:  Pamela you put Molly on the telephone, I’d like to speak to your daughter.

Pamela:  Yeah, one moment.

Sid:  Molly, “How old are you?”

Molly:  I’m twelve.

Sid:  And you know what I’ve not heard this story, I want to hear from you, “When you were nine you saw Jesus,” tell me about that.

Molly:  Well, actually one night I was in my parents room laying on a leopard lounge and I woke up in the middle of the night and I looked in their bathroom and I saw this little crystal and then it started appearing getting bigger and bigger and it started forming into a shape and it was actually Jesus.  And then when I noticed I started walking over to it and I was so like, it was really amazing and it was Jesus and I started crying and my Dad woke up and he said, “What is it Molly, what is it?  And then I said, “It’s Jesus, its Jesus.”  And he said, “Where?”  And I tried to point and then he was disappearing and I couldn’t see Him after then.  But then in the morning I told all my family and they were really happy.  And since then I kind of set off on a new path and I’ve really been really seeking God more, it kind of changed my life.

Sid:  Well, let me tell you what I discern, “When you’re speaking I feel the presence of God, the presence of heaven, has any one every told you that before?”

Molly:  No.

Sid:  Well, let me tell ya there’s a lot of God’s presence as you speak.  Are people ever healed when you speak with your family?

Molly:  Yeah, there’s a lot of people.

Sid:  As a matter of fact, you have an unusual gift is that when many times when people are healed they smell the fragrance of heaven, the fragrance of God, tell me one case.

Molly:  Well, actually at a conference there was this lady, she came up to me and she had an ear problem and she asked me to pray for her.  So I prayed for her and then the next day she came up to me and she said, “Her ears were healed and that she could smell the aroma of God on her hands.”

Sid:  Now, do you ever smell the aroma of God?

Molly:  Um, I could never smell it, I never smelled it before.

Sid:  I’ve smelled it, it’s really, sometimes it smells like roses or different flowers or perfume, it’s really neat.  I wonder if you would put your bother Jordan on the telephone.

Molly:  Okay.

Sid:  Hi Jordan, this is Sid and I am so intrigued by what God does in your life, when you pray for people to have the fire of God, tell me what occurs, what goes on?

Jordan:  Well, whenever I pray for people for the fire, whenever I say, “Fire,” people get healed, people they shake, they tremble or whatever God wants to do with them it happens whenever I say “Fire.”

Sid:  And you operate in a strong gift of Words of Knowledge, how long has this been going on, most of your life?

Jordan:  Yeah, as long as I knew you know, whenever I get Words of Knowledge I mean I have like tons of Words of Knowledge so.

Sid:  Now, does it just start on its own or can you say “Lord, tell me what You want to do?”

Jordan:  Yeah, I can just say “God, what do you want me, is there anything for the people?” And then God tells me.

Sid:  Well, why don’t you do that right now?

Jordan:  Alright! Well, I feel like right now that there’s someone out there with a right shoulder, “I command it to be healed right now.”  And I feel that there’s someone out there with a lower back pain, “I command it to be healed.”  There’s someone out there, lots of people that area struggling financially, “I command the money to come in right now, in the name of Jesus.”  And there is someone out there, many people with arthritis, “I command it to be healed right now, arthritis to be healed.” Any type of disease, “I command it to be healed right now,” I command depression to “Be healed right now in the Name of Jesus.”

Sid:  Jordan, tell me about those twenty children that you prayed for that got saved and felt the presence of God.

Jordan:  Well, one of the kids that I prayed for I was seating in my History class and he just told me to turn around and I asked, “If he knew Jesus?”  And he said, “No.”  So I just told him the sinner’s prayer and I asked him if I could pray for him and he said, “Yes,” and I touched his hand and he just began to weep and cry and feel God’s presence.  And I got a Word of Knowledge for him and I asked him, I told him that he’s been struggling with his parents and struggling with his parents you know like being mean to him.  And he thinks that nobody likes him and stuff like that, and I said, “God is the one that you need to get know and He can be your friend.”

Sid:  But what I’m asking you is about in a three day period some twenty young people came to know that Jesus, tell me about that.

Jordan:  I just began to ask kids like, you know like lots of kids like “If they knew Jesus” and they said, “No” and I just told them the sinner’s prayer and they knew Jesus then.  So I just asked like twenty kids you know a bunch of different kids, just began to ask.  I mean I asked even more than that in school too, just ask people.

Sid:  Has God shown you what you are going to be doing with your life?

Jordan:  Yeah, I feel like I’m suppose to you know preach and set the world on fire.

Sid:  Could you pray for fire to come on the people right now?

Jordan:  Yeah, I pray right now that God just touches you with the fire right now, wherever you’re listening right now, I pray that God reveals His tangible presence right now in the Name of Jesus.  I just pray fire, fire right now in the Name of Jesus, more Lord, more, more; wherever you’re listening fire, fire, fire, fire in the Name of, Jesus Amen.

Sid:  Well, I’m not shaking, but the Holy Spirit is just bubbling over in me and as a matter of fact on your Dad’s book “Romancing the King,” that’s what will happen when people read it, the Holy Spirit will bubble over on them and they’ll have their breakthrough for intimacy with God.  And there is nothing, well let me ask you this Jordan, “Is there anything more important than intimacy with Jesus?”

Jordan:  No, I really feel that you should you know listen, listen to God what He has to say, you know go into your prayer closet whatever, wherever you spend time with God.  And I feel like He want you to you know go to Him wherever you’re at and He just wants to spend time with you.

Sid:  With the times we’re coming into in this country and I’m telling you something, there can’t be anything more important than intimacy with God.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Grace Williams. Do you feel stuck? Would you like to get out of the trap that you’re in? Is there a way to bust out? Grace, you had a dream. Tell me about that.

GRACE: Yes I did, Sid. And I was actually, when I was working on one of my songs, and I dreamed that I was in this huge glass building. I was trying to get out of it. It was like I was kind of frustrated, almost like panicky, and I would try to jump up and leap up, and get out. And I would kind of hear these voices saying, “You can’t get out,” kind of like naysayers and things that were trying to hinder me back. And I really wanted to get out. And it was like I lifted my hand and I began to worship and look up to the Heavens, and literally I broke through that glass ceiling, and I went up to a new place in the spirit, and a new dimension. And that place was a place of freedom, that place was a place of no hindrance, nothing holding me back. And right now I feel like the Lord is setting someone free in the name of Jesus. I was just seeking shackles break off. I believe it’s especially for women right now, that the Lord is setting you free in the name of Jesus. Like you’ve carried heavy burdens and this heaviness that you’ve been carrying, and the Lord says, the spirit of the anointing is setting you free. The anointing of the Lord is breaking ever yoke of bondage in the name of Jesus. Just receive your freedom right now and step into that new place of freedom right now.

SID: Now speaking of being free, tell me about that military man in Somalia. Now this is a freedom story, trust me.

GRACE: This is a freedom story, Sid. He had served our U.S. military faithfully, been in several deployments, and he had to go through some pretty horrific things, as you can imagine. And he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, and he came back in shambles, just really broken. He was addicted to alcohol. He was on 17 different medications for the panic attacks, anxiety, sleeplessness, I mean, just a plethora of things. And he began to soak to my songs, Sid, and there was such healing that immediately came to his soul, total deliverance, total freedom. And he said, it was so precious in the email, he said, “I feel like I’m a child again and the Lord has literally removed that trauma,” that was like embedded in his soul through the power of worship and soaking, and letting the Lord cleanse him, renew him, set him free. It was so, so powerful.

SID: Now when God gave you the song, “Beautiful Place,” you had a vision. You were encapsulated, like in a bubble.

GRACE: Yes. And it was so beautiful, which is just really cool, because the name of the song is “Beautiful Place.” But it was this gigantic bubble. And it reminded me of like when you were a kid and you played with bubbles. It was that same, iridescent, almost glowing, almost colorized when you would look at it certain ways. And I just looked all around, and I was like, wow, this is so, so cool. And I felt so protected and so safe. And it was like I would see things going on around me, but they didn’t touch me, Sid. It was just like in His presence, in that secret place when we enter into that secret place of worship, there is our Divine protection. There is our safety. It’s like in the shadow of His wings He protects us and covers us.

SID: Grace, would you go to the music set right now, because I want you to be encapsulated in this bubble, this secret place. Can you picture whenever you want to enter into the secret place you go into the beautiful place. Grace Williams, “Beautiful Place.”

GRACE [music, singing]: Yeah, yeah. All I need is you. All I want is your presence. Thirst for you. More of you. Your love, your beauty surrounds me in this place, this beautiful place. I stand in awe of you. Yeah, yeah. All I need is you. All I want is your presence. Thirst for you, thirst for you. More of you. Your love, your beauty surrounds me in this place, this beautiful place. I stand in awe of you. Yeah, yeah. Your love, your beauty surround me in this place, this beautiful place, this beautiful place.

Sid:  My guest Paul Keith Davis is red hot for the Messiah, we’re platforming his book “Angels that Gather” this week.  Why should someone read this book Paul Keith Davis?

Paul Keith:  I think the people that are reading this book are the ones that are hungry for destiny; they’ve hungry for purpose, and they want to be plugged into what God is doing in this generation.

Sid:  What do you mean hungry for destiny?

Paul Keith:  We’re seeing all over the body of Christ, and in the world even in people that are not even saved, that there is one thing that is paramount “Why am I here?”  What is my purpose?”  And I believe beyond a shadow of doubt that we as Christians have the greatest purpose living, living in the greatest generation of any that has ever been destined to walk the face of the earth.  And there are people who are, who have been imparted with the seed of destiny for this generation that is profound that people want to know, “Can I walk with God, can I really know God?”  And of course the answer to that the question is yes, we’ve given them religion but now we’re promoting relationship.

Sid:  Now, people that are hearing you speak on this subject and this came as a result in 2003 in Albany, Oregon you had literally the lenses came off your eyes, and you saw angels and they identified themselves as angels that gather.  When you share about this and you share the teaching or people read your book “Angels that Gather,” tell me what’s happened to some of them.

Paul Keith:  We’ve had wonderful testimonies both from church leaders, Christian leaders, ministry leaders and pastors. One for instance, I had a man who came from Singapore who has a very large ministry to the Asian nations even into China.  And Lord told him to come to one of my meetings in Kansas City, Missouri and this man said, “Lord I don’t have time to go to the United States” and he said, “Besides that I don’t go to conferences I put on conferences.”  And the Lord said, “Go!”  And so this man came with this very large ministry, sat through the meetings and didn’t really hear anything that he thought was worth flying from Singapore to here until finally on the last evening I brought the message on the angels that gather.  And the Lord spoke to him and he came to me after the meeting, I had not met him before, but he said, “This is why I was sent, the Lord sent me here to hear this message.”  And so I got an email from him about year later and he has had a conference where he said, 6 or 800 people coming to his conference in Singapore, but he said, “They began to do one thing differently and only one thing from all the prior years; in their intercession for the next conference they began to release the angels that gather.”  And their conference went from 6 to 800 to 1600 the next year with nothing different other than the fact that they released the angels that gather to bring every person into the meeting that needed to hear what was going to take place.  And the next year it went to 2000 and it’s gone beyond that now.  And it’s not so much about just having a big meeting; it’s about people hearing what they need to hear to activate them into the purpose for what they were born.  We had another wonderful testimony from a church up in North Alabama, it wasn’t a very large church, a few hundred people, but I brought the message on the angels that gather and it just so happened that the Associate Pastor was also a school teacher and basketball coach at the local high school.  Well this was really dear to me because we love young people, but he calls me up you know just a few week after I was there.  He said, “For the last year or more he had been you know testifying to and just trying to win his basketball team.”  He had fifteen people on his basketball team, fifteen young men and he said, “I haven’t had one person respond, not even one show the slightest interest.”  And so he and his wife did nothing different but just begin to release the angels that gather, they said, “Lord you are the Lord of harvest and we release the angles that gather to bring in a harvest of these young men.”  He said no sooner had they prayed that prayer that literally one afternoon he heard a knock on his front door and three of those young men were at his door saying “What do we need to do to be saved.”  And that probably touched me more than anything and just gave a little token representation that how we are going to cooperate with heaven to bring in this generation of champions.

Sid:  Well, would you pray for people that are backslidden or perhaps don’t know the Lord and angles will be released to gather them into the Kingdom.

Paul Keith:  Absolutely, and we’re seeing that too, we’re seeing prodigal sons and daughters coming home.  I got regular mail from mothers that have sons in prison.  I’ve got two from two different prisoners that are reading our material.  So I’ll be happy to.  “Lord Jesus you are the Lord of the harvest, and there is none like you, you are the Chiefest among 10,000 the one that is all together lovely.  And we thank you for this privilege we have to live in this day; the day of the harvest, the day that you are going to co-labor with your people on the earth to being in the greatest wave of harvest the world has ever seen.  And right now Lord, according to your word, you said that you would send the angels that gather out of your Kingdom all stumbling blocks and everything that is offensive.  And Lord we ask that you send those angels right now, just remove every stumbling block that stands before those destined for salvation.  Lord we’re asking that you remove the stumbling block of addiction from prodigals, the stumbling block of unbelief, the stumbling block of rebellion against the sons and the daughters of all these families that are listening to these broadcasts.  But we’re asking that you break the shackles of darkness that have held people bound and that you will awaken desperation and a desire to live with you in the kingdom of light, release that Lord so that we can see this harvest coming in into your great glory, we ask in Jesus name.”

Sid:  Paul, what is going on, I can feel the presence of God on that prayer, what is going on in the Spirit realm as you’re praying that?

Paul Keith:  I believe that when we pray that kind of a prayer that it releases this host of angels and we don’t know who they’re going to, God does but there being sent.  And we have actually seen this where these angels are sent to people that are prayed for and they will whisper in their ear day and night “You need to get saved, you need to get right with God.”  Just a constant whispering in the ear and a provoking of the hearts of those people wherever they are; Whether they’re in a bar someplace or if they’re running from God or if they’re on the streets; whether they maybe we’re seeing these angels are being dispatched and assigned to them, and staying there until that person comes around.

Sid:  Paul why should someone read your book “Angels that Gather?”

Paul Keith:  The target of our book is to awaken people to where we are in history, one of the primary things where we are positioned in human history.  And that we are probably the most privileged generation though we don’t look like it on the outside, we’re one on of the most privileged generations to live in the day when we’re going to see the Word of God manifested in a way that’s going to bring in the greatest harvest.  Everything has been about the harvest; heaven must retain the Lord Jesus until there has been the restoration of all things.  And we’re seeing that happening now in a portion of our book is to address that generation that is going to be awaken to that purpose so that we can cooperate with God to see that happen.

Sid:   And so literally we can cooperate with God to be empowered for the end of the age harvest.  And the end of the age harvest as you’ve explained is not, it is not just souls; there are promises that in fact you were saying and you talk about in your book, some of these great men and woman of God that perhaps didn’t accomplish all they were suppose to those anointing’s are waiting for us now.

Paul Keith:  Absolutely, absolutely and come in double portion as well, just like we saw the anointing pass from Elijah to Elisha so also will these anointing be imparted to this company of people.  And Sid one interesting thing and I’ll close with too the Lord said something to me last year that was so profound because of the way He said it, He said, “I will have my harvest!”  That was just the way He said it.

Sid:  So the question is whether we want to be involved with it or not, whether we want to be spectator or a participant.

Paul Keith:  That’s exactly it, the only variable is, who is going to cooperate, work with Him and become joined with Him for this purpose; the greats privilege that any generation has ever been offered.  There is no power in existence that can keep the Lord from having His harvest.

Sid:  Now, you said you cannot meet the needs of people until you meet the needs of God; briefly what did you mean?

Paul Keith:  God has a need for fellowship, as profound as that may sound. The whole purpose of the creation of man was for fellowship.  And I have to be honest with you when I first began in ministry I thought, I thought that my purpose was to do ministry, but I have modified that.  I know now my purpose is to have fellowship with God; I can’t think of a greater privilege, I can’t think of anything that I would rather do.  But in the midst of that He also you know allows us and I believe that’s the proper term, allows us to be joined with Him in this mandate and this purpose that He has to see the great Moravian prayer fulfilled.  That is that the Lord Jesus would receive the full measure of His reward.

Billy Joe:  I would say that it’s the Holy Spirit that did the work, not the sickness and disease, and it’s the response of the person to sickness and disease that brings good things into the person’s life.  If sickness and disease, tragedy, calamity if they automatically brought blessing then you would see people around the world that had gone through something horrible getting closer to God, but that’s not true.  There are as many people going away from God turning because they look at what’s happened to them and their not looking to God in trust, they’re many people are looking at in anger.  So this is an hour for us to recognize Acts 10:38 says “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and power who went about doing good, healing those who where oppressed of the devil.  Sickness and disease as defined in scripture do not come from the Lord to bless us, they are part of the curse sent to attack us and according to the words of scripture they come from the enemy that he uses them as a tool to steal, kill and destroy.  Jesus said, “I Am come that you may have life and life more abundantly.”  Now when you think about heaven and you think about creation, you realize that in the beginning there was no sickness and disease before the fall.  In heaven there is not going to be any sickness there, when Jesus came He didn’t bring any sickness and disease to people He took it away from them.  So if in the beginning there was no sickness and Jesus He delivered people from sickness and when we all get to heaven there’s not going to be any sickness then that should help us realize God’s will is not sickness and disease, it’s health and wholeness.  That was in the beginning, that’s in heaven and that’s what Jesus brought.

Sid:  What is the first advice that you would give Billy Joe to someone who’s gotten and evil report from the doctor they’ve just been to the doctor and perhaps the doctor has says “You’ve got cancer; you’ve got x-amount of months to live.”  What would you counsel that person to do first?

Billy Joe:  I would say “You can be healed, with God nothing is impossible, all things are possible with God.”  I’d say to you, “This the day of the Lord, what men can’t do God can do God can do.  You can have a miracle, you can rise above what you’re facing, let’s take the word of God, let’s get into it believe it and begin to speak it out loud.  Begin to declare it over your life and then I would begin to give that person scriptures III John 2, “Beloved I wish above all things you would prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers.”  I would take them to Matthew 8 where the leper said “Lord, if you will you can make me whole.”  That leper knew that Jesus had the ability, but he wondered did He have the willingness and that’s where many people are today. They wonder, “Is God willing to heal me?”  God has the power, God has the ability, they’re just like the leper, “Lord, you’ve got all this ability, you’ve got all this healing power, but do you care about me, are you willing to make me well?”  And Jesus answered once and for all forever and for all people, “I will, be thou be made whole.”  And that leper went away cleansed, I would say “You can have a miracle, but let’s put God’s word into our heart first, let’s begin to speak it, let’s declare it, let’s lay hold of it.  And day after day I would encourage that person not to give up, not to quit, not to stop believing but continue to declare their faith.  You see the spirit of faith is I believe and therefore I speak; so what we’re believing we’re speaking.

Sid:  But how do we, what’s the first step to believe, I mean we hear these words, but we don’t believe them.  How do we get it into our heart?

Billy Joe:  Well, first of all, you have to believe that God’s word is the word of God and it’s supreme.  The integrity and the authority of the scriptures has to be established in a person’s life.  In other words if I say “The word of God says, but you don’t respect the word of God and I’m speaking to someone who’s listening but you don’t respect the word of God then it is going to be difficult for you to believe it.  So the first point is to get to the place that you believe the Bible is true.  Once you’re at that place and you say, “Well, how do you know the Bible is true?”  A direct answer in one word, and that’s Israel, there’s no other explanation in the whole world than Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948.  It is the undeniable direct absolute statement the Bible is true, you can count on it, think of it, the Bible written 66 books, 40 different authors over the course of 1,500 years and yet it’s one book.  There’s nothing like it in the world, you image that there’s no book that has prophesy given hundreds of years before an event would take place and then that event happened exactly as it was spoken and recorded in the scriptures.  There is nothing like that in the Koran, there’s nothing like that in Buddhist writings or Hindu writings or any other false religion there is in the world only the Bible which reveals the true and living God.  Now I gave you those things to help you get rid of some doubt, once that’s established then when you hear the word of God just as Sid said to you, and asked me the question, “What do you do?”  You declare in your heart and with your mouth I choose to believe the Bible, the word of God rather than the report that I’ve been given.  Whose report will you believe; Isaiah asked the question from the Spirit of the Lord.  We have all types of reports that come but whose report will you believe?  You have a choice, and believing is a choice of the human will.  It originates in the heart but it’s involved with human will and people can choose to be unbelievers and just say they doubt it, they don’t want to believe, they’re not going to believe.  But when you get to that point when you say “You know, I’ve tried everything else there’s no other hope I choose to believe God.”

Sid Roth:  Alright what would you say Billy Joe to the person that says “Well I did believe and I was sick and I didn’t get better and this has happened three of four times and I know I’m in unbelief right now but I don’t know what to do about it; my experiences don’t back up what Billy Joe’s talking about?”

Billy Joe:  You know I would say that exactly “Don’t back up, what are your options?”  Keep doubting, keep unbelieving, going the other direction?”  You know it’s like an atheist, I say “What’s your options from here; you don’t have too many good things going for you.”  So let’s turn it around and say “What if we chose to believe, what if it does work, what if you just hung on a little longer, what if you reenergized yourself with more fuel?”  In other words the fire goes down and gets low because it doesn’t have enough fire wood on it or however it’s supplied by coal or oil or something else; so let’s put more wood on the fire.  You say, “Where do you get the wood, the wood is God’s word, this is where many people are limited, Hosea 4:6 “People perish for the lack of knowledge.”  Then people perish for having knowledge but not applying that knowledge in their lives, so get the knowledge.  This is why we come to this book that your offering, “You Can be Healed,” it gives answers, it gives scriptures one right after another.  James 1:17 “God gives only good and perfect gifts.”  We know from the word of God, the Roman Santorin said, “Speak the word only and my servant will be healed.”  If someone inundate they’re entire beings, saturate their soul, their mind, and their heart with faith scriptures, the word of God then.  Faith comes by hearing, faith is going to rise and increase in that process Sid.

Sid:  It seems to me that when a Jewish person or a Muslim or a Hindu has an encounter with God they become red hot for Jesus, but that’s normal.   That’s what, I have a normal guest her name is Evangeline Weiner, and Evangeline we’re featuring your book this week “The Calling of a Generation.”  And the thing that I love about your book is that it’s so jam packed with faith that I don’t think someone can read this book without having a complete paradyne shift in their understanding of the supernatural.    But the stories you have in here for instance, tell me a bit about Kamran the Shiite Muslim.

Evangeline:  Yeah, well Kamran he grew up in Iran and his heart, you know he was; he wanted to basically be everything that he could be in the Muslim faith and…

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, before I started interviewing you I caught up with Kamran and let’s go to that interview now.

Sid:  I’m in the studio with Kamran Yaraei.  Kamran you were raised in a nonpracticing Muslim home in a Muslim country, Iran.  And at twelve you had to take over the family business because you’re father was seriously injured but at fourteen you had an unusual dream.

Kamran:  Yes, I had this dream that this angel came to me and started to walk toward me with this very large crown and he started to tell me some godly advice.  Love God, search for God and in the very far distance in the dream I saw something that I believe it was God.  And when I woke up I had this urgent desire in my heart to pursue God.

Sid:  But the only option and correctly me if I’m wrong but the only option in a Muslim country to pursue God would be through…

Kamran:  Allah.

Sid:  Right through Islam.

Kamran:  Yes.

Sid:  It’s very similar in Judaism, you know if a Jewish person wants to pursue God in Israel in particular the only thought they have is well, Orthodox Judaism.  So you pursued God but you didn’t find what you were looking for, why?

Kamran:  Yes, I couldn’t find what I was looking for.  For so many years I tried to pursue God through what Islam told me that I could find him and to each place, mosque.  How, you read Koran and you listen to those preaching in the mosque and you need to be a very good person and good family man, good son to your parent, good brother to your brothers and sisters.  And I tried all of them, but my heart was not satisfied and I would go talk to this religious leader and I would tell them that, what could I do to get close to God?  And they would tell me practice, practice, five times a day, but I couldn’t.

Sid:  So at twenty-nine you decide that you are going to come to the United States and you renounced Allah.

Kamran:  Yes, in my quiet time I prayed to him and I said, “From now on I am done with you because I wanted to be your friend and you don’t want me to be your friend, I’m done with you.

Sid:  And a great miracle happened to help you come to the U.S. tell me about that.

Kamran:  I went to Cyprus to get my Visa and at the lobby at this hotel I was just staying I saw this book that’s called (Angelic Holief)? Means Holy Bible.  For the first time I saw that book and I use to read Koran, Islamic book, but Bible I never had any access I just heard about Jesus.  I asked the person in charge and he gave me the book and I go to my room and I start to read this Bible for the first time; which I use to think that it was corrupted.  I took this corrupted Bible to my room and I started to read it.  But Jesus showed up in my room as I was reading the Bible and He stood in my room, I could see Him, actually He jumped out of the Book and I saw Him standing in my room and He started to speak in my language and He told me how He’s going to help me to go to U.S.  And I asked my heart, I said “Can I pray to this Jesus?  This Jesus is a prophet to Christian people, but I have my belief and then that old anger came up and I said, “Jesus all other prophet and that religion never helped me, if You can help me, please help me.  And I go to the embassy of the United States and I get my Visa in less than five minutes.

Sid:  That sounds unusual to me, it sounds miraculous to me.

Kamran:  Yes, but still I went back to Allah and I said “Allah, that you so much, it looks like you’re doing something here, “I gave the credit to Allah.

Sid:  So you get to the United States, you have a miracle; you give the wrong god credit, and then you ended up in a church service, tell me about that.

Kamran:  Actually before the church service I ended up having this friend, Christian friend for the first time in my life, they were very nice.  And to make a long story short, they told me about this Jesus and the love of Jesus, the love of God and that God is love.  And it made me very angry.  They said, “God is love.”  I said, “God is not love, I love him, but I never received his love.”  And they told me about Jesus and He’s the only way and the blood of Jesus.  That scared me really bad because as a Muslim blood makes you unclean, it doesn’t make you clean.  If you have blood on your finger you have to really go wash yourself and I was picturing this real picture of blood all over me and that makes me clean, the whole thing didn’t make sense.  But as I was talking to one of my friends I felt that it was very supernatural, I felt in my heart that I need to ask them “How can I pray to this, Jesus?”  And I did ask, I said, “How can I pray to this Jesus?”  And she told me the salvation prayer that we have here in the United State.  I said, “I do not want to pray that prayer because I don’t believe that prayer, can I pray with my own language in my own way to Jesus?  She said, “Yes.”  And I started this long prayer what I remember it was nine years ago.  I said, “Jesus, I do not believe you are the Son of God, but if you are I give You my heart.”  “Jesus, don’t believe your blood has any power to forgive my sin.”  But if there is any forgiveness through Your blood I receive it, why not?”  Then I said, “Jesus, if you can build a relationship between my heart and the heart of God that you claim that He’s Your Father, I give You full permission from this moment on to do anything You want to do with my life, with my job, with everything, You have full permission.  I was crying so hard, then I turned even physically, I said “Allah, I was afraid of Allah, I said, “Allah if I did something wrong here I ask that you forgive me, if he’s not your son, I want you to stop him from coming to me, I don’t want any wrong spirit to get to me.”  And I always tell people, after that Allah and Jesus they had to face each other, and I was out of picture, I told them “Whomever is God, just come and claim me,” and Jesus came and He did claim me.

Sid:  Well, you went to church three times, the third time, “Tell me what happened.”

Kamran:  I was sitting in the very row, it was a very big church in Atlanta, I was late and the usher took me to the very first row and I didn’t want to sit there, but I had no choice.  I’m very uncomfortable sitting between thousands of people.  After ten minutes of preaching I see a man that’s standing behind pastor, I see Him with my own eyes and He had a rod in his hand and as the pastor was walking He was walking in the opposite side of the pastor and I said to myself, “Who is that?”  A voice inside of me said, “It’s Jesus.”  I said, “I mock that voice, something inside of me mocked what I heard, and I said, “No, and the moment I agreed with that mocking voice, that man Jesus walked inside of my body and I took a very deep breath and this fire came all over me and I’m crying and I’m shaking.  As a Muslim, I always wanted to have supernatural experience and right here it was extremely supernatural and He touched my heart and I could not stop crying and shaking and fire was all over me and I’m sitting in the very first row.  It got to the place that it made me very uncomfortable because I’m crying very hard and I said to whatever that was inside of me in that moment that I couldn’t understand I said, “Please do not do this to me,” I said, “Not now, meaning come back later.”  In a matter of a second, the shaking, crying, fire all left, that supernatural experience just left in a matter of a second.

Sid:   You left Islam because you wanted to be a friend of God and you couldn’t find this friendship in Islam.

Kamran:  Yes.

Sid:  Do you have this friendship now?

Kamran:  Yes, you know talking about leaving Islam, people they think that I became a Christian.  I can’t, I don’t want to say I just became a Christian, I have Christ in me.

Sid:  Are many Muslim’s coming to Jesus?

Kamran:  I heard in our country, Iran, I can say hundreds of thousands people they are coming to Jesus because this Jesus is performing a lot of miracles.  He’s proving to people’s heart that I Am the only one who can forgive your sin, I already paid your price and you know what I’m the only God that can prove Himself to you right now, right here, challenge me like I did.  “I don’t believe you’re the son of God, but if you are come and show me.”  Many of my family members challenged Him and they all saw Him.

Sid Roth:  This is Sid Roth; I’m interviewing Evangeline Weiner on her book “The Calling of a Generation.”  And that testimony you just heard is one of many testimonies that are in this book.  Evangeline as you thought about him, what was coming to mind?

Evangeline:  Yeah, you know I just am reminded about just how much God wants to be a friend and to know each and every person personally.   And you know even the other day actually I was in the train, I was on a train from Seattle to Portland, but I met a young man who was a Muslim and he was studying, he was an international student here.  And we just were just talking about our just different experiences of God and stuff.  And he had made a mention of his little brother who is nine years old and who had died and he said, that it was like a joyous thing.  And I said, “Why are you so excited about him dying early?”  Well, he said, “He’s lucky, he for sure made it.”  And I guess there’s a belief that if you know, if your under ten that you have assurance of your salvation into paradise.  And even that fact, that just makes me feel that much more of that Muslim go through life without feeling the love of God and feeling that they can even be assured of salvation.  And you know I just want to say today to whoever is listening that God does desire to know you, regardless of your background, regardless of your religion of what you think or your circumstances of failure or successes that that God wants to know each and every one of us personally.  And you know if you just ask Him and say, “God,” just like Kamran did, “God if you’re real, Jesus if you’re real, reveal yourself to me.”  You know, I know that He’ll do that.”

Andre:  Yes, it was pretty amazing because I saw the power of God manifested and in the Adventist Church I was always taught that that was the devil, like I said earlier.  And I finally went to the Lord and I said, “Lord, if this is the devil, he’s out doing you and I could not see God being out done by the devil.  And so I was struck by this tangible personal God, because in the Adventist Church God’s not personal; you never would refer to Him as Poppa or Abba, He’s the great God that created the Universe.  And one of my first responses when I went to Kansas City Fellowship where Mike Bickle was the Pastor was I met Bob Jones and he kept calling God Poppa and I’m like, “Poppa, who is his Poppa?”  And then it finally dawned on me that He was talking about God, and I was like, “Oh my gosh, he’s talking about God, the great God that created the Universe and he’s calling him Daddy.”   And that really struck me because I would never; you would never hear that in the Adventist Church, never.

Sid:  Well, I’m kind of reminded of what Moses said, and he said, “God if you take your presence from me, I don’t want to go on, I don’t want to move if I lose your presence.” And most people don’t even know about the presence of God; not just Seventh Day Adventist, most church going Christians don’t know about the presence of God.

Andre:  It’s true.

Sid:  Andre, there was a moment a very defining moment, a very defining moment in your life where someone I interviewed previously, his name is Jim Goll.

Andre:  Yes.

Sid:  Prophesied over you, tell me about that experience.

Andre:  Yes, I love Jim Goll; he’s one of my spiritual fathers.  It was my first Sunday in Kansas City Fellowship.  At that time Kansas City Fellowship had six different congregations and I went to one that two friends from college.  And I had been to college like several times, and he calls me out and like, you have to understand this is one of the first times of ever being called and out and says “What’s your name, and I said, “My name is Andre” and he said, “Do you know what the prophetic song of the Lord is?” And I’m like, “No.”  “God says it’s in you, you’re going to sing it today.” And so he calls me up front and I’m thinking, “Oh God, if you don’t do something this is going to be a big mess,” because I tried to write a song for a year and I couldn’t come up with words.  And so he began to sing over me, he said “I was one of the new breed,” and I didn’t understand this language.  And he stopped and he put the microphone in my mouth and he said, “Now you sing.”  And so, I felt something coming up like from my belly and when it spilled out my friend who brought me from school fell out on the floor, people began to weep all over the room.  And we went back and forth for like twenty minutes singing the song of the Lord.  And I shook under the power of God which I really had never experienced before and God really tangibly touched me at that time.

Sid:  Well, I want to hear a selection of a prophetic song, this is a song that you just sing, you don’t write it out ahead of time, you really live on the edge, maybe that’s what he means by a new breed, living on the edge.  Where, if God doesn’t show up you fall off.

Andre:  Yeah.

Sid:  Okay, the prophetic song that I want from your CD called “Before the Throne,” is called “My Word is Sure.”  Tell me what this song is about.

Andre:  It’s basically about the Lord, His covenant with us, that if He said it, He’s going to do it, that His word can’t return to him void.  And no matter what the circumstances obstacles say, if God spoke it over you He’s going to bring it to pass.

Sid:  Tell me about the lady that 24 hours a day 7 days a week she had to have oxygen through a oxygen machine attached to her and what happened to her in the midst of worshipping God.

Andre:  This happened in the Hudson Valley Revival, the lady was on oxygen 24 -7 and she was also taking like a hundred pills a day.  And it actually wasn’t me leading worship it was another group, but she came to the meeting, I was speaking.  She came to the meeting and she was laying on the floor and I’m looking at her and she gets up and walks out with the oxygen detached and she doesn’t come back for a month and I’m like, oh my gosh.

Sid:  Andre, she could die.

Andre:  Yeah, that’s what I thought of me being a man of faith that I am and I hope she didn’t die and I didn’t know about it.  But she came back and the report was that in the midst of worship God completely healed her, took her off oxygen, I think he took her from 100 drugs today at that time I think she was taking four.  So in the midst of worship without me laying hands on her or anybody laying hands on her, God came and completely healed her

Sid:  That’s because God’s word is true, let’s see what happens when Andre takes that step of faith and he sings the song of the Lord, “My Word is Sure.”

Andre singing “My Word is Sure.” excerpt

Sid:  Andre I understand why people are healed and set free of so many different things when they are under the presence of God as you’re worshipping God, but tell me about that person that had had hip replacement.

Andre:  Awe, yeah her name is Janice, this happened in Pokipsy, New York.  When she came in her, I think it was her right hip, I’m not sure was stiff because she had been in accident and had a complete hip replacement.  Her leg was actually an inch and half shorter than the other and so she couldn’t move very well and she was in a lot of pain and I called her up and we prayed for her land literally her leg grew out.  But the interesting thing is that her leg is acting like there is no metal in there; I don’t know if there’s still metal at all but her gate is perfectly normal, she has no pain, she went back to the doctor and they measured her leg and they say her legs are absolute level now.

Sid:  Now, you’ve had some very, I mean that’s outrageous, but you’ve had even more outrageous things than that happen, tell me quickly about those four young men where one actually flew?   Explain that.

Andre:  Yeah, that happened actually at a youth camp I do in Seattle every year, and actually there were four guys there who were atheist and one said, “Lord, if you’re real make somebody fly.”  So a young man who had just had brain surgery had just got the halo off of his head, literally flew and landed in the middle of the field in the snow.

Sid:  Did anyone see this?

Andre:  Yeah, everybody saw it.

Sid:  Everybody saw this?  He flew?  You’re telling me, you could see him move that distance in the air?

Andre:   Yeah, his feet came off the floor and he literally, the door swung open it was a safety lock that you have to hit to open.

Sid:  How did the door swing open?

Andre:  I guess God opened the door.

Sid:  Ha-ha.

Andre:  Ha-ha, I don’t know but literally he flew out and landed in the middle of the field so suffice it to say…

Sid:  But bottom line, what happened to that young man as far as salvation?

Andre:  He’s no longer an atheist.

Sid:  Ha-ha, I would say that would do it.

Andre:  Ha-ha.

Sid Roth:  Now I won’t promise you you’ll fly, but I’ll promise you you’ll fly in the spirit…

Karen:  It was it was a living hell for us.

Sid:  I mean, he would literally eat the sheet rock, he would, anything rubber he would eat.  He would have tantrums that would never cease.  How did you live like that?

Karen:  You know, you live however you live, it becomes, it’s all we knew we didn’t know anything different and you know when you have a child you can’t take him back to the hospital and say this one’s broke you live with whatever you have to walk out.  And it was discord and our relationship was discord and we were doing the best that we can to try to get some semblance of normalcy we were reaching and grasping at any straw that we could get.

Sid:  Okay, so you went to a deliverance team and all of a sudden you were there for yourself, they said that James will be ready shortly for his healing.  What did you think of that?  I thought that they didn’t know what they were talking about.  Because I’d never heard of anybody being delivered from autism, I heard of a few people being delivered from cancer or diabetes and every other situation, but this had never happened before.  And it was something that they had never had the opportunity to take anybody through deliverance and I thought that they were just being kind and I had gotten what I needed to get.  I went there for me, now they gave me some tools there, they said that if I played praise music in James’ room while he slept that the enemy cannot stand the presence of praise music and so they had given me some tools. I had a knew refreshing in my spirit about who Jesus was and the power that He left for all off us to use to combat the enemy and how to pray over my child and speak life into him and not speak death over him.  And I was ready, it was all I had come for, and she said, “But we’ll have to pray and wait for God.”  Well, my husband and I had been on staff at churches and so usually when people say that we’ll praying for you, that didn’t really show much results in my life.  And I didn’t really think about it again.  That was in July of ’99 and then we get a call in January of 2000 and the team asked how we were doing?  And I said, “Great,” and she said that, “Well, God said, that it’s time.”  I had no idea what she was talking about, what do you mean God says it’s time, do you have some sort of red bat phone that He calls on?

Sid:  Ha-ha.

Karen:  That’s not the God that I knew, and I didn’t know people that when they said, that they were going to pray for you, actually prayed for you till the very end.  Most people that I knew, like myself prayed for a few minutes and they were off to eat lunch somewhere.  And so she said, “God says, it’s time.”  So we set up a ministry time, they came back to Austin, it was February 17, 2000 Thursday, 4:00 and we went into my church and where they would meet with families that came for ministry.  And when I saw the team I just broke into tears, I just started sobbing, and she said, “What are you crying for?”  And I said, “Because I don’t think that this is going to work, I just don’t.”  And she said, “Well, I beg your pardon, the Lord said that he’s going to be healed.”  Well, I had never heard anybody talk like that and so I tried my eyes for the 100^th thousand time in the last four and half years and we sat down and the intercessors began to pray.  And Sheila just began, the head of the team talking to James, well he wasn’t having any of that.  He was pulling on my hand, go, go, go, he wanted to leave and being a mother I was thinking those two things that you always think over your child, “Act right.”  And pretty soon he’s on the floor, he’s hitting his head and I don’t remember the first thing that they prayed to break over him, but Tom my husband picked up James and the team just gently put their hands on his back and said, “That the first demonic curse would have to go in Jesus name into the dry places and my son reached his hand back and screamed, “Come back, come back, come back, come back!”

Sid:  My goodness, what did you think when you saw that he was actually telling that spirit to come back?

Karen:  I was for the first time in my life speechless, I’m never speechless, I had never seen anything manifest like that in my life.  And we were all…I was undone, I was humbled, I was shocked, I was scared, I was excited I had a possibility of hope that maybe this team actually was trained in what they did.  And that maybe the God of the Universe would be kind enough and to completely heal my son.

Sid:  Now, just out of curiosity, you told me that he didn’t speak much, was it unusual for him to just say come back over and over again.

Karen:   Come back, he only had about twenty words of communication at that time.  He said, Cup and hot, cheeo and dog, no, bottle.”  He would still talk like he was eighteen months old, he had been tracked from eighteen month and he was almost six at this point where time had sit still in the emotional progression.  He had not progressed socially or emotionally, he was almost a six year old kid trapped inside an eighteen mouth old.  And so he had never said that and then he just put his little arms down and he was calm and peaceful.  And she said that the team had said, “That that would be all that they would do that day and that he would have to come back for more and that that they would take away whatever the strongholds were in the correct order.”  And he had three more sessions and his sessions weren’t long, and at the beginning of June was his last sessions, June 2000 and I’m here to tell you that God has completely delivered and healed him from the demonic oppression of autism.

Sid:  You know what I would like to do, I would like to hear from the pastor of what he observed when you came into the church with James, before his deliverance and then after, let’s go to that:  Sid:  I have the former pastor of Round Rock Chapel in Round Rock, Texas on the telephone, Pastor Dennis Hall.  And Dennis, when James and Karen came into your church, I understand you were a little concerned.

Pastor Dennis Hall:  Well, the Lord had been teaching us about deliverance ministry, we had seen God do something’s but I’ll be honest with you that when I heard that he had autism and that they had been forced to float from church to church and never really finding a place.  I knew that God could but I would have to honest with you my mind I’m saying, “God help”

Sid:  But I have to compliment you, you allowed them to stay a lot of pastors wouldn’t have done that.

Pastor Dennis Hall:  Well, what else do you do?

Sid:  I understand, what type of bazaar behavior did you observe?

Pastor Dennis Hall:  Well, the first thing is he didn’t communicate at all, primarily just grunts and fits of anger, sometimes just one word, but he never responded to anybody that was there.  He didn’t seem to acknowledge your presence.  Seemed content to do his own thing whether it fit with the schedule of anything else that was trying to be done around him.  I do know that you look at the van that he had torn and eaten the weather stripping all around the family van; I found out later that he was very strong, he was a bruiser.  And I understand that his mother told me that he would knock holes in wall and then begin to eat the paper the sheetrock and just nearly destroyed his room.

Sid:  Now, after the deliverance, was it obvious there was a change in him?

Pastor Dennis Hall:  Well, there was an immediate change, I mean first of all there was peace over is whole demeanor.  The other thing is that he began to connect with me, he began to connect with people of the church, he would run in and began to hug people, would actually begin to call me Brother Dennis, would come.  He still had some learning he had to do; it was almost like he was having to learn to talk and learning socialization skills again.  But there was such an immediate, immediate change that it just encouraged and stirred the whole church that we continued to pursue and work with him and see this thing completed.  I kind of almost feel like it was like it was like when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead and said, “Take off the grave clothes.” You know if we are going to continue to let him live.  We saw the significant miracle in James and now we had to walk with him through reentering society and reentering the family, the Body of Christ.

Sid:  Thank you.  Now when James came home he wasn’t really totally delivered but did you see immediate changes in him?

Karen:  Immediate changes, he had already been changed a little bit from playing the praise music, he was just a different child because he got some sleep at night, but the severity of it was completely taken down a great percentage.  He still tantrumed, he still threw fits but they weren’t as severe, they were like he was back at two years old when it wasn’t quite so bad.  And I believe God did that to give us hope that he would be healed.  And that was what I had to hold on too, was that hope, that possibility that this will stick, this will stick, this is real, this is God.  And I remember one time right after his first ministry, I had, the ministry had Monday night Spiritual Warfare Training.  And I was obviously very new at it but I was writing down everything that I could as quickly as I could and I had seen what they did and the way they prayed.   And one day James was tantruming a little bit and I just tried to do what they did and I said, “You need to go devil in Jesus name, but I didn’t do it in as much authority I was just sort of reciting the words and James went “Whooa”  And so I called the ministry team, I said, “I think that I did something wrong,”  Woops, and you know we live in a very real powerful spiritual world of supernatural Jesus and the demonic and the demonic know if you know what you’re doing or not.  And so I was reminded by the team that I didn’t know what I was doing.  And but I could learn, and so I have and you know they walked out his deliverance and they gave us tools and it was an exchange.

Sid:  Karen, what did God tell you would happen to people when they heard your testimony?

Karen:  The people would be moved to hope again that there’s a possibility that whatever their situation is that with the power of Jesus there would be a way out of this thing.  And it’s not exclusive to autism but whatever it is that they’re dealing with that whatever they’re battling with in their life it is going to come against them that there is absolute possible hope.  That James’s story could be anybody’s story it’s not exclusive to us.  There’s nothing unique about me, I’m not the good Christian, I was not the good wife, I was not the good mother.

Sid Roth:  Woops were out of time.

Stacy:  Yeah, actually really clearly, in fact in 2007 the Lord gave me a prophetic word you know about sickles.  I saw sickles swinging over the earth, and the Lord said that, “The God of mammon would fall in America in 2008.”  Now I’m not an economist so that all came to me from revelation and so when the economy crashed I’m praying you know in September and I’m asking the Lord what He saying and He said and then He told me really clearly He said “That for 2009 He said that economic crisis is actually going to worsen.” And then He said, “The pressure now is going to come on governments as the god of mammon fell,” you know so the gods of government will fall.  Because people trust in mammon and people trust in governments but it’s going to hit a whole new level.  And now this was in September and since that time and in several nations like Iceland government actually fell in January.  The Canadian government, we had an election scare before in December and we had another one in January; ours has stabilized, but I believe that anything than can be shaken, will be shaken.  But that’s all okay in fact it’s actually good news for the kingdom because God is shaking the false gods of our day so that the thing that cannot be shaken, you know the cornerstone of Jesus Christ will remain.  And so what I actually saw for 2009 is that I saw the Lord described it to me as days of fire.  And I saw literal fires and like a spiritual fire coming.  And the purpose of this the Lord was going to use it to purify His church to kind of separate you know the cultural Christians from like you know like He did in His own day in say John 6:66 where the Bible says “That many of His disciples as his preaching intensified turned and followed Him no more.”  I believe that there’s, God’s raising the standard, but that the Kingdoms of this world are going to be increasing shaken.  And governments are going to have incredible pressure put on them; some are going to collapse, some are going to make it through but in the middle of that the Kingdom of God is actually going to flourish.  It’s going to increase; it’s going to like God is going to give supernatural economies to believers through prophetic revelation.  I believe that like Joseph just like he got a strategy for not only to feed his own family and not only to feed the nation he was in and not only to feed the people of God to feed every nation round an about in a time of global crisis in his day.  God gave him dreams and visions how to fee the world.  There are Christians that are going to come upon that kind of revelation to feed not only themselves but even whole nations.  And so I believe this is an awesome time for the Kingdom to advance, and you know to advance in the middle of war.  So a, even though it’s going to be a little bit shaky on the outside, you know from the inside the kingdom of God is within us, we are going to hit major advance, I believe massive amounts of salvation are coming.

Sid:  You know in addition to your gift of prophesy you also move in healing.  But there was a time where you received prophesies that you would have a healing ministry and you prayed for people and you got zero results but you were invited to speak of where a group of Eskimos and that’s where you experienced your first healing.  Would you tell me about that?

Stacy:  Well, you know again all of this is in the Bible; these signs shall follow those who believe.  And so we’re supposed to do that, this is supposed to be normal Christianity, normal following God has signs following.  You know has the filling of the Holy Spirit, has you know Holy Spirit possession as it were.  And I would get prophesies of healing and try and people would actually tell me after I prayed for them and they got worse.  And then I would get another prophesy, but I went up north to…

Sid:  I can relate I prayed for hundreds of people with no one being healed even the elders of my congregation said, “I feel funny about him praying for the sick.”  But do you know what?  If I hadn’t stuck it out, I wouldn’t have a healing ministry today.

Wesley:  That’s right.

Stacy:  That’s right, you know they had to wait for 120 days; sometimes we don’t push through to the breakthrough that is available to every Christian; it’s based on desire you know.  So I went up north to this Indian, on Basin Island to this Inuit Village.

Wesley:  Polar bears walk through the street.

Stacy:  Yes that was true and these Inuit Elders and they only spoke in Yepatoak.  The lead elder of this conference said, “The Lord gave me a vision that we were supposed to lay hands on you, the eldership of Canada here of this Inuit of Canada and to release and to actually ordain you from the Eskimo people to ordain you to the nations.  And so as the first of the first people of my nation, they gave me a spiritual ordination even though I had been ordained you know by Bill Hammond before they gave me a spiritual ordination.  Laid hands on me and when they did that I had something like a sensation in my innermost being and it was again it was like the wind but it was much more, it was like something came alive inside of my spirit.  And I lied on the floor for about an hour, when I got up I could feel this strange sensation and the Eskimo elder had finished preaching and he was calling the prayer line.  So I stood in the prayer line and in front of this older Eskimo woman and for the first time in my life I could feel what the scripture talks about the presence of God was there to heal the sick.  And I looked at this lady and I said, “Are you sick any where?”  And through translation she told me in Yepatoak enough to say, “Yes my knees” and she was just standing there.  “My knees” said, “I could hardly walk.”  So I laid hands on her knees and she began to laugh and she fell over and she said, “My knees are burning.”  And I knew something was happening, and I was so excited, so that night she came back and I said, “How are you doing?”  And she said, “I’m healed!”  She said, “I’m healed!”

Wesley:  Through translation.

Stacy:  Yeah, yeah she told us she said, I’m healed and so I had her come up to the front.  So the translator said, “Yes, and she said it in Yepatoak, “I came up totally crippled up I could barely walk, I hobbled up to the altar call, and she said, “When you laid hands on me my knees began to burn and when I got up I could walk perfectly.”  She said, “I walked out of this conference and I walked up Nipple Hill.  And there was this hill and it was, you know the Eskimos are very natural.

Wesley:  Graphic.

Stacy:  It looked like that in the middle of their town it just went straight up and down.  She said she walked all the way up and down Nipple Hill.  And so that was my first healing and ever since that time I’m telling you I have prayed for the sick over and over again and cancers have been healed, medically documented, they come in you know and say “I’ve got cancer I’ve just been to the doctor and I’ve got tumors.

Wesley:  Multiple personality disorders.

Stacy:  Yeah Multiple…

Sid:  Oh, oh tell me about in Holland because I’m intrigued about several things.  First of all, I’m intrigued that you can pray for people that they would stir up the gift of prophecy within them it’s actually transferable.  And you were praying for that in Holland.

Stacy:  Okay I do that everywhere I go because Jesus said to His disciples “Freely you have received, freely give.”  So I just want everything, I wish all God’s people were prophets like Moses said or like Paul, “I wish everybody spoke in tongues but even more I wish that everybody prophesied because prophesy is, the Spirit of Prophesy is the testimony of Jesus you know.  So it’s all about Him.  So I pray everywhere I go, impartation and people have told me, and hundreds of people have told me that it’s either in the middle of me prophesying ecstatically that they go into the visions, they get hit with the Spirit of Prophesy and they can do things that they’ve never done before, they can prophesy.  But this one lady told me, she said “I was in a prophetic meeting with you in Holland and at the end of your teaching you prayed the impartation the Spirit of Prophesy.”  She said, “I walked out of that conference room and by a seminar room and for some reason I felt strangely drawn into this seminar room, I was the only person in it.  I walked in it and when I got in that room I had an open vision of Jesus.  She said, “At the time I was multiple personality disorder, I was fractured into over 100 personalities.”  She said, “I lived eighteen of them, changing my clothes, changing my voice, changing my name like every day, but 100 of them would appear you know because I had been so traumatized.” She said, “But when I have this vision of Jesus,” she said, “He held his arms open wide and He beckoned me to come in and so to come close to Him.”  She said, “When I got close to Him, He wrapped His arms around me and He pulled me inside of Him.  And when He pulled me inside of Him” she said, “Suddenly it was very very dark.” and you know she said “I understood later, not at the time that He took upon Him all of our sins and all our diseases you know in His own body.”  And so she said, “When He opened His arms and let me out” she said “I was completely and totally healed.”  And she walked up to me in Holland the next time I went up there.

Wesley:  Which was a year later or more.

Stacy:  Yeah and I think a couple years and she said, “I am one, I am one.”  And she said, “Ever since that time when he set me back on the floor, I was one.”  And she said, “It came out of prophetic impartation; you prayed that what God had given you He would give to me,” she said, “I walked out of that room, had a vision of Jesus just like you had visions of Jesus in your life.”  She said, “I’ve been completely healed.  And her pastor and his wife was with them.

Wesley:  Yeah, we met them again last year for the third time, but they testified that it was a miraculous healing and was one of the only miraculous healings of multiple personalities that many people just say that they have ever seen.

Sid Roth:  Well, you know what on tomorrow’s broadcast Stacy I would like you to pray for the gift of prophesy to transfer and for impartation.

Sid:   But some of the greater are being released right at this moment and one of the key teachers to help you understand how to enter the greater is Dr. Todd Coontz who I have on the telephone here.  And Todd, I remember the time when you were struggling, you’re making $800 a month, your bills were $1500 a month, your car was being repossessed.  God spoke to you, you started doing what He said but then came a point where God told you buy flowers for your wife, tell me about that.

Todd:  Oh, that’s, that’s an amazing testimony, that’s really I’ve got one of the books that we’ll be talking about today is, “Please Don’t repo My Car.”  How my financial life changed in 24 hours and that happened when I was sitting on a sofa looking at a stack of unpaid bills that equaled $1500 a month.  Sid, my income was only $800 a month; I was making $200 a week.  You know as a financial advisor we all know that if your outgo exceeds your income, it will be your down fall.  And that’s basically where I was at, I was frustrated at that time, very frustrated with God because I didn’t understand and I remember telling God this, “Lord, I don’t understand how you can have so much and I would have so little.”  And that’s when the Holy Spirit spoke a phrase to me that changed my life and it was an invitation I say to obey Him.   He said, “Todd, to get what I have you have to do what I say.”  Sid I had made God Lord of my life; I knew Him as my Savior, I had given Him my calling on my life because I was a preacher, yet I had never surrendered my money, my finances.   I didn’t know him as my Jehovah Jireh.  You know I knew scriptures in the Bible, Genesis 8:22 “As long as the earth remains there will be seed harvest.”  I knew Luke 6:38 “Give and it will be given unto you good measure, press down shaken together shall God cause men to give back to you.”  You know you give once, but you receive from God seven times in Luke 6:38.  Yet I wasn’t given my money to God, I wasn’t tithing in Malachi Chapter 3 into the store house helping spread the gospel.  Because I didn’t feel like I had anything to give God.  I wasn’t even able to pay my bills, I was under incredible financial stress and I was frustrated, but I was at the end of my rope.  And I remember sitting there and this was over twenty years ago, I remember sitting there and I said, “God, I will give a portion of my income back into your work.”  And that’s the day my life changed financially.

Sid:  Out of curiosity, “How much did you give at that time?”

Todd:  Well, I begin to set aside you know I’m making $200 a week $800 a month.  I began to set aside the tithe which was $20 a week.  Sid I tell people that I broke the back of poverty with a $20.00 seed sown consistently week after week.  That’s when my life began to change.

Sid:   Okay, so tell me about the word that you got on flowers.

Todd:  Well, it wasn’t long after this and I need to address this because there’s many listening today who are really facing some financial dilemmas; their back’s against the wall.  And they know God as their Savior, but they haven’t really looked into the Bible.  They haven’t practiced the Word of God on biblical economics and the law of giving and receiving, sowing and reaping, the law of reciprocity like I wasn’t doing.  And many listening right now that you are struggling because we’re living in difficult economic times, but I made the commitment to make God my source to believe the Bible and to trust God with my money.  And when I started to do that it wasn’t long after that that I was walking down the road passing a flower shop and I’m making a longer story a little shorter and they can read more about it in the book.  I wrecked and totaled my car by the way and I was now on foot; because it wasn’t long after I made the decision to obey God that Satan hit me with everything.  And that’s important the devil is not a giver, he a taker, he’s a stealer, he’s a thief.  God gives, man hoards, Satan steals.

Sid:  And you know, you said a key thing, the moment that you hear a truth but it isn’t really in your heart the devil tries to remove that truth by having a tragedy hit you in that arena, that same arena.

Todd:  Absolutely, I call it, I call him the faith stealer; he’s a faith stealer, because he’s after your faith.  Because we know that God’s moved by faith according to Hebrew’s 11:6.  So I took a step of faith, but it was not a step without opposition, so it wasn’t long, I mean I wrecked my car.  Now I’m saying God I don’t understand this, I’m obeying you about my money and now I have a totaled car.  But something rose up inside of me, I had come to the end of my rope and I tried everything I knew to do in the natural.  That’s why I’m glad I’m talking to you today because this is supernatural; I decided that I would trust, I would believe God and I continued to plant into His work that $20 a week I never stopped.  And it wasn’t long after that I was now on for walking, I passed the flower shop and God spoke to me and God said, “I want you to go buy your fiancé some flowers.  Now she’s my wife today, but she was my fiancé at the time, I walked across the street, I walked into the store and please listen up right now because this is an incredible supernatural testimony, it’s really unbelievable even as I’m telling you right now; I still, I’m still moved by it.  But I’m walking into the store and I’m looking in a, it’s like a cabinet with no flowers, but it looks like flowers should be in there.  And a man came up to me and I said, “I want to buy some red roses,” he said, “We don’t have any.”  And I looked at him and I said, because it’s a flower shop at Sid, this is a flower shop.  And I looked at him and I said, “Okay I want to buy some carnations.” And he said “We don’t have any.”  I said, “Well, I want to buy some kind of flowers for my Fiancé and he looked at me and said, “We don’t have any.”  Now, I’m kind of amazed now at this point because I really felt like a few moments ago God spoke to me and told me to go buy my Wife flowers or my Fiancé  and now I’m in a flower shop that’s void of flowers.  Now, I’m thinking, “Well, God didn’t speak to me it’s just me wanting because I’m in love God just wanted me to, I’m wanting to do something for my Fiancé.”  So I buy a Teddy bear instead.  I’m at the desk, looked across at the guy whose changing money, he looked at me and he said, “What is it that you do?”  Now nobody asked me that question before, I didn’t know this man, it’s the first time I had ever saw him.  I had just entered the financial arena for the listeners that have been listening all week.  I have been I the financial business for twenty years but this was the first I had just entered the business and I said, “Well, I’m a financial advisor, I’m a financial teacher.”  He said, “That’s interesting, he said, “I just received a lump sum early retirement how would you like to manage my money?”  Within thirty days I sat down with him, I sat down with three of his friends and within six months God turned my financial world upside down.  I had, Sid I have more money within six months in my hands from making commission than being paid fees then I had had in the previous two years combined.

Sid:  But had you not listened to that prompt of getting your flowers you won’t have found the next step and the next step.  You also talk about how timing is very important to God.

Todd:  When you sow, is as important as what you sow; Ecclesiastes 3 and verse 1 say’s “To everything there is a time and there is a season.”  You never sow seed, a farmer never sows seed out of season, he doesn’t sow in the winter time unless it’s winter wheat.  But generally speaking you sow tomatoes at a right time to reap a harvest at a right time.  It’s important to cultivate a heart to hearing the voice of God.  I heard God’s voice, I knew it was His voice, I obeyed His voice and if I had not obeyed God’s voice about the laws of seed time and harvest and knowing that he would be good to me, I never would have planted that even though it was so small, just twenty a dollars a week.  It was so small, it was big to me because it was sown out of a need, it was sown out of a time when I couldn’t even pay my bills.  But when I did that, it literally become a seed of honor, I acknowledged that man could not provide for me, that I wanted God to provide for me.  And when I obeyed His word, that’s when my life began to change.  I mean it turned around really within months, it turned around and of course that’s been twenty plus years ago.  I’ve been practicing that law now for over twenty years; I’m more blessed today Sid than I could ever have imagined.

Sid:  A, briefly if someone gives because they have an unction from God to give, I expect results.  What about someone gives just because there is, it’s a good ministry to give to.  Does it work also too in sowing and reaping?

Todd:  Absolutely, absolutely.  I think, I think that any time you help others especially ministries who are doing the work of God; who are reaching the Jewish people, who are preaching the gospel around the world, who are ministering to the broken and the hurting.  You know God commands us to preach the gospel in Matthew 28 and there are times when God will say to you I want you to give this certain amount.  But generally speaking it’s a principal, it’s a principal and so you can operate in that principal at all times.

Sid Roth:  Oops were out of time.

Sid:  My guest Dr. LaDonna Taylor and I love to sit under the presence of God as LaDonna plays her violin.  There are people that have angelic visitations while you’re playing your music.  But you’ve actually seen the wings of an angel and then people get healed.  Tell me about that.

LaDonna:  I actually have.

Sid:  What is angel wings, what does an angel wing look like?

LaDonna:  Well, it was transparent, it was, I guess if you tried to explain it in which I have to do just to explain it in words, just transparent kind of pearl, pearlish, sparkling some just the edge of wing coming from my side.  I’ve had many people see angels as I play.  Most of the time, when I play my eyes are closed because I’m looking where I’m supposed to be looking to the Lord.  Blessed by His name.

Sid:  Out of curiosity, you play your violin sometimes and you feel nothing and yet people get healed.

LaDonna:  You know, I cannot say that I can play my violin and feel nothing.

Sid:  You know it would be hard to believe that because of the fact that the anointing is so strong on that instrument.

LaDonna:  It’s a string to heaven; it’s some king of connection to God for me.  But I have seen people healed very dramatically healed, things that you would have thought were totally not possible.

Sid:  Give me one example.

LaDonna:  One example is this, I’m standing in the parking lot of a church, no church service going on, I got out of a car and a lady walks towards me.  She said, “I’m so sorry, I was taking care of the children at the service that you ministered here two weeks ago, I really wanted you to pray for me.”  And I said, “What’s wrong with you and she said, “I have Titanium in my neck and collar bone, the doctors had to reattach my head to my neck and so there’s all Titanium all in here; it’s affected my voice, I have limited range.”  And she showed me how it had affected her voice.  And before I knew it, I was just very simply, no goose bumps, no whatever I just put my hand on her throat and I said “The Lord doesn’t always want you to be this way with this limited motion in your voice like this.”  And she said, “I know that.”  And I prayed very short prayer for her, she leaned her head back, I heard her neck pop and she did the most amazing dance in that parking lot as everything, the limited motion was gone, her voice returned to her, I was absolutely surprised.

Sid:  Now that begs another question, so many people get healed of pains, especially in their back areas, but you encourage them to dance into their healing.  Why do you do that?

LaDonna:  I do, well the Lord tells us “Draw nigh to me and I’ll draw neigh to you.”  Sometimes you need to take the first step.  I heard someone say once, “What you do first determines what God will do next.”

Sid:  Tell me one person that danced their way into healing.

LaDonna:  Oh, my goodness and elderly man in Hawaii in a church service, he had been injured in World War II, he had a cane and I’m telling you that little man started dancing. He absolutely totally got healed from an injury to his back many many years ago.

Sid:  Well, you know I’m reading my notes here about someone with a crooked spine, and other people with bone problems. And it says here that on this one person the higher your notes got the straighter their back became.

LaDonna:  Isn’t that amazing, I read over these letters that people send me time and time again.  Sometimes the Lord will have me walk around someone like in a move around them while I’m playing, and the Lord will heal their back.  Sometimes, I just play and get close to them and the Lord, it’s all Jesus.  All I have to do is be obedient to Him and to receive we just need to put ourself in the right position.  “Lord, I’m here, I believe you are the healer.”

Sid:  Do you ever see Jesus as your ministering in a group?

LaDonna:  I with my actual physical eyes don’t, but with my spirit so many many many times I know in every cell of my body that He’s standing there.

Sid:  Have you ever really seen Him with your physical eye ever?

LaDonna:  I cannot say that I’ve seen him with my physical eyes but I must tell you my spirit, I have seen him.

Sid:  Can you describe Him to me from what you’ve seen in your spirit?

LaDonna:  I can, He’s everything I need, He is the most precious thing.  I need Him more than I need another breath.  He is everything to me, I love Him so much but it’s so amazing how I know that He loves me.

Sid:  You know, you have a song called, “Lamb of God” in which we talk about His holiness.  What happens when people worship God to that song?

LaDonna:  That music totally changes the atmosphere as people worship with that music.  Your enemy has to have a certain atmosphere to survive in.  And the enemy cannot survive with a strong presence of God.  This music totally ushers in that beautiful presence of God that the enemy cannot exist in.

Sid:  I’m ready for that; let’s hear “Lamb of God,” LaDonna Taylor with the Prague Philharmonic Orchestra.

LaDonna: Worship Excerpt “Lamb of God”

Sid Roth:  Well, you see what I mean when I say the presence of God on that violin.